Discussing quantum consciousness with world’s greatest minds: Penrose vs Faggin vs Kastrup
Seeing | Quantum Physics | 2024-08-25
Hans Busstra, MA
Sir Roger Penrose, PhD
Federico Faggin
Bernardo Kastrup, PhD, PhD
Two giants of science and technology—Nobel Laureate in physics, Sir Roger Penrose, and inventor of the microprocessor, Federico Faggin—meet to discuss their ideas on the relationship between Quantum Physics and consciousness, with the special participation of our own Bernardo Kastrup. While always respectful and congenial, the participants don’t shy away from disagreements. Their starting difference regards Quantum Theory itself: while Federico Faggin and Bernardo Kastrup allow its implications to inform their views, Sir Roger Penrose believes the theory itself to be at least incomplete and require further development. The discussion helps pin down and make explicit the fine points of the three gentlemen’s respective ideas regarding consciousness.
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